Towing weight of 6.6m Redline and Razerline
Hi all.
I was hoping some forum members here that own a 6.6m Redline or 6.6m Razerline Olympian could comment on the loaded towing weight of these boats.
I had my heart set on a 7.6m walkaround, however I would then be forced to upgrade my car to a Land Cruiser or Disco 4 or similar, which adds another significant hole to the wallet.
After speaking to my wife extensively, a 6.6m version may be a better option, but I need to know I can tow it with my current Hilux with 2250kg capacity.
Both manufacturers have provided a rough figure which is pretty close to the 2250kg capacity of my Hilux.
Unfortunately when building a boat, until it's built and put over a weightbridge, it only becomes a best guess, so having some validated data from owners will go a long way.
Thanks in advance.
Tom
Bruce
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Specs
www.razerline.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Oly-hardtop.pdf
www.razerline.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Oly-centre-cab.pdf
Not sure what configuration (hardtop or centrecab) but the specs are there.
6.6 Centre Cab hull weight only is 900kg and Hardtop is stated at 1075kg. Add your engine at a guess 250kgs give or take, ali dual axle trailer rated to 2.5tonne is 550kg on dunbiers website (not sure whether includes wheels or is purely the trailer only). Probably 2 batteries (40kg min), (at least) 150L fuel. Add your esky (with ice in it) 20kg, anchor can be 20kg or more depending what/how much chain you've got on it. Theres a lot more that makes up your boat but theres just the bones of it.
In short I rekon you'd be pushing it for the 2250kg limit. On the specs they've got fuel capacity of 560L so if you filled it up for a long trip you'd already be over without considering the weight of batteries and all your other kit! (900+550+250+560 =2260kg). I rekon it would probably come in around 2550kg, give or take. Its a big boat.
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Specs
Thanks Bruce.
But I have done the math using figures available on the web for the Razerline (unfortunately no such data for the Redline), hence my question being directed at owners of these 6.6m boats who have hopefully taken their boat over a weighbridge for registration purposes or the like.
I always suspected it would be close, and at the end of the day you can always play with towball weight. If you adjust the towball weight to be 225kg exactly, then techincally you can tow a trailer that weighs 2475kg (2250 + 225), but this is really drawing a fine line and working on a technicality is always going to be dangerous.
Cheers
Tom
roddo
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Unfortunately technically
Unfortunately technically you cant tow anything over 2250 your tow ball weight does not change this. i had many discussions with the relevant authorities over this.
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I really do believe the
I really do believe the relevant authorities should put out a clarification on this to make it black and white, because at the moment it is largley open to interpretation....
Any towing documentation you see online states that the towball download is included as part of the GVM. In my mind, if it goes toward the GVM, then it comes off the trailer weight and the towed weight is now less the towball weight.
It's very frustrating how things like this become so ambiguous.
If anyone can point me toward some unambiguous towing documentation, that would be helpful.
D_d_001
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small point to consider
sg of unleaded is .74 or thereabouts so 560 l of fuel weighs 414kg
personally I would think if YOU think the figures are going to be close you will in reality be way over.
I travel up north couple of times per year and the amount of stuff that ends up going in the boat is amazing.
sometimes travel with family (wife and kids pack it in) and sometimes mates fishing only trips. (four guys fishing gear AND BEER adds up very quickly)
I would personally want to be a big percentage under legal towing capability to be safe.
dodgy
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The redlines I've seen have
The redlines I've seen have been very big boats for the stated size.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
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You're not wrong there. I
You're not wrong there.
I was in the workshop a few times when I made some enquiries, and at the time there was a wide body 7.6m hartop close to being delivered. It was massive! Beautifully finished off too.
Would love to get a 7.6m wide body walkaround (Ian was really pushing for this), but I'm concerned that could even push the towing limits of a LC200.
Vinesh87
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A 7.6m with fuel and water
A 7.6m with fuel and water would be over 3500kgs
My 7.5m 2970kgs Fairly empty!
A 6.6m would def be up there and probably over your 2250. Especially with ice and 2x20kgs dhuies in esky haha
It is crazy how fast it adds up!!
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What brand and style of boat do you have Vinesh87?
What brand and style of boat do you have Vinesh87?
2970kgs fairly empty is a fair amount of weight.... even for a 7.5m.
Vinesh87
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From all my research when i
From all my research when i boufht its normal.
But i do have 6mm bottom, inbuilt fridge, extended hardtop, ancor winch. It adds up quick! Its always way more than the quoted BMT weight.
Mines a Prestoncraft, 300 yammy and fully ally trailer.
ranmar850
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It will always weigh 150kg more than it "should"
And you will go mad if you try to work out where it is. Besides that, putting 225kg on the towball of a hilux will see its *rse dragging the ground. And that's not even taking into account when you decide you want to leave the metro area and take it away, the crap you take with you will chuck at least another 250 kg on top of that.
dano83
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If your fishing metro or not
If your fishing metro or not far from a ramp why not buy a cheap tow car? Like an old 70 or 100... what's 15k when your spending over 100k
you can get the boat you want then
Wen
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Assassin 660
I have an Assassin 660 center cab which sits on a tezza trailer... its around ~2.3T loaded.. i tow with a pajero sport and you can really feel it out the back..
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Thanks Wen. Exactly the
Thanks Wen.
Exactly the information i was looking for. How much fuel and water do you have onboard when loaded? I'm also assuming this figure is without your gear on board (tackle, ice box, equipment, etc).
Cheers.
Tom
Wen
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200ltr of fuel but no water tank
i also have an electric drum anchor winch.. weight truely adds up..rule of thumb is to not tow more than 80% of your vehicles tow rating..
kamo king
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Iv got a 6.7 sea rider hard
Iv got a 6.7 sea rider hard top, that comes in at around 2.4T with low fuel and not fully loaded.
crowie
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Bayshore 6.8 hard top
I put my bayshore over the weighbridge in mandurah 2 months ago, it holds 250l of fuel of which i had less than 1/4 of a tank. I had just come back from fishing (no fish) but some melted ice and plenty of rods and sinkers (2 10l buckets of sinkers) plus all the usual 50m of anchor rope and 10m of chain. So the boat was a fairly light condition and i got 2.62T. It sits on a steel I beam trailer that weighs about 500kg (according to the name plate). My DMAX is only rated to 3T so i need to be careful when loading up and make sure i put the heavy stuff like freezers in the car not the boat.
straith
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If you do change cars..
I eventually changed to a 2012 diesel Jeep grand cherokee limited overland 3500kg allowance
they're a lot cheaper than cruisers.
Yeah yeah I know Its like a strip show and there's a lot of knockers but its quite seriously the best car ive ever owned.
Good luck,
Signed
Reformed toyota man
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After speaking to the wife once more....
After having a detailed chat with my wife again sharing the info posted here, she said i should just bite the bullet and buy a car suited to the boat i want to get.
She doesn't want me talking about a boat upgrade a few years down the track. She knows i really want a decent sized boat and actually wants me to get the 7.6m...
So now i'm on the quest for a new tow rig. Not sure if i can justify the price of a LC200, so am currently looking at a LR Disco4.
Straith, i have considered a Jeep Grand Cherokee, but can't seem to convince myself into forking out the cash for one. I've heard about too many reliability issues online and even TodayTonight (lol) and I have a couple of friends who wish they never bought theirs, so unfortunately they have a stink that can't be washed off in my eyes.
dodgy
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Cant bear the thought of a
Cant bear the thought of a Jeep but considering a Landrover?
Both of those choices are certainly more refined and a more pleasant city driving experience. Both have a bad reputation for reliability outside of that.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
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Every make and model of car has a lemon or two...
Dodgy.
I don't know of any car that has been completely flawless.
Unfortunately Jeeps have a stigma based on experiences close to home, hence why i'm looking at other alternatives.
When expecting to tow 3.5 tonnes, there aren't many "non-light-truck" options available which will still allow for a practical utilisation of GVM. One is too expensive (simply over-priced IMO), one already has a stigma attached to it, leaving the LR Disco4 as an option to be explored.
Based on online forums (eg. AULRO), the LR Disco4 appears to have a more reliable reputation than Disco generations prior, hence why i'm looking into them.
Paully
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^^ Can you get your wife
To talk to my wife?
chevaps
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HAHA
Haha!
My wife said sure thing. She has two questions though.
1) What needs to be said?
2) What does she gain from this :P
Paully
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^ Well - lets see. How about
1) That I know what I'm talking about....and
2) That your wife's name could be on the side of my boat - after I convince mine - that it's all above board
straith
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Yeah went through the same process.
Vinesh on here also had good experiences with his jeep as did a mech engineer buddy which swayed me to have a go but honestly had i the cash i would've just bought an lc200 diesel.
Also I wanted a car that had not just everything but two kitchen sinks as well and the jeep had 3!
I like my toys but with all that electronics comes risk in any car.
Get the same if you can in a cruiser and you could probably buy a spare jeep with the same money.
Its all compromise sadly until we win the big one.
Good luck whichever way you go.
Cheers !
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Straith. I think i'm in the
Straith.
I think i'm in the same position as you were.
Put simply the LR Disco4 is definitely better value for money, and in my eyes is more of an allrounder when put against the LC200.
I do love the mechanicals of the LC200, especially the 4.5L V8 D4D, and was willing to compromise and get a 70 series wagon or dual cab ute just to get the running gear, but when you see the bare bones you get for the money you're spending, i just shyed away.
You're definitely correct in saying that too many electronics in a car bring with it some risk.
See how i go in the end.
dodgy
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My old man runs a disco 3 and
My old man runs a disco 3 and a 4 as tour vehicles in the NT. Im blown away by the amount they cost to 'maintain'.
As a town car they are definitely more refined than the 200 though.
The 200 just doesn't suit his purpose otherwise he would have one.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?