Project Boat
Although I have been more than happy with my tinnie over the last couple of years, there is no getting away from the fact that it is a pretty small and basic boat, and I had found myself longing for just a bit more space, stability and protection out on the water. Also, I figured the missus and some other non-serious fisho friends might be more keen to come out with me in a bigger, more comfortable tub.
Anyway, a few weeks back I was browsing the used boat ads on Gumtree and was coming to the conclusion that my budget (non existent really) wouldn't really stretch to anything much better, when I came across an ad for a what looked like a pretty decent old ally runabout that had been left sitting by its owner for the last few years at what seemed like a bargain price. On a spur, I gave the seller a call and headed straight out to have a look at it.
Condition was a bit disappointing, the paint was flaking and powdery, wooden sole (deck) was scrap (although the seller had already cut out new marine ply to replace the main sections), the windscreen was in pieces, and the donk on the back was looking very tired. Then I started to see the potential, the hull looked solid, the layout and space felt pretty good, and there was a very well built stainless steel trailer underneath it. After some negotations with my own 'minister of finance' and the seller, I was towing it back to my place the next day.
So here it is, a late 80s (I think) Savage Lancer 530 runabout, that will be my project for the next few months as I try to transform it into a comfortable, reliable and affordable upgrade from my tinnie.
Haven't had a chance to do much on it over the Xmas/NY break due to other priorities, but will be getting stuck in from now. Will definitely be looking for some advice and guidance from any experienced renovators and DIYers on some aspects of the project like painting, deck replacement and eventually repowering and fitout. In the meantime, if you have any general advice or ideas, please feel free to share.
Perry Home
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Good luck with that..
Tiger - you re not gonna know yourself in a bigger craft. I guess you got it at the right $ as the "War Office" gave financial approval. Keep us up to date as you go with picks.
grantarctic1
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Looks ok
Looks Ok for a fix up . Is the front console a fibre glass bolt on ? If so i would be tempted to remove it all and turn it into a centre console.
I,ll be posting up my rebuild soon , it took a lot longer than i thought because the more parts i removed the more problems i found.
Post up your progress as you strip it all down so you can get advice and ideas.
Cheers Grant .
glastronomic
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You said it Grant;The more
You said it Grant;
The more you remove, the more problems (costs)
propper little boat that can be fixed up rather easily, just work with what you got, do as much as you possibly can and push yourself to success!
I have a 27Mhrz marine radio & antenna you can have for this Savage project.
And a new suncover/Bimini with SS frame that could easily fit your boat
Will have a look if I have some more left overs you can have from my Savage rebuild!
I live closebye to where you are so you picking it up should not be a problem at all
Subscibed to this rebuild.
tigerfish
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Date Joined: 20/08/10
Hey Glastro, sounds great -
Hey Glastro, sounds great - the boat actually had a decent looking 27mhz unit and antenna on it already but the bimini is definitely something I want to put on so would be very interested. And having done a rebuild yourself, any advice you can give as i go along would be greatly appreciated.
glastronomic
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Bimini is yours.PM for
Bimini is yours.
PM for adress.
sea-kem
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I'm doing the samewith my
I'm doing the samewith my Qunnie project Grant. It had a fibreglass insert that was damaged when it was written off. So that's going and center console going in. Have finally scored a trailer for it too.
Love the West!
tigerfish
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Hey Grant, yes the console
Hey Grant, yes the console is just riveted to the gunwhale - would be a very easy CC conversion and that was my initial plan. But when I thought about it a bit more, the extra protection from the screen and console was part of the reason I wanted to upgrade, so now leaning more towards keeping it as a runabout. Not 100% decided though.
grantarctic1
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Yeah
Yeah mate, i luv the C/consoles for fishing but a small cab and screen are nice to hide behind when the weather pics up, iether way you will still have plenty of room if you plan it out right .
meglodon
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looking forward to progress pics
certainly looks like it has a lot of potential for a very good project boat please keep us posted on progress and pics
dodgy
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They were a solid little rig.
They were a solid little rig. I had its little brother, the Osprey, as my first boat.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
glastronomic
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In J. Webster second hand
In J. Webster second hand boat books these SWavage Lancer 530 Pro(fessional) are praised as the favourite off shore cuddy cabin boats
Some statts;
Lenght; 5.33
Max beam; 2.32
deadrise 13 degrees
Hull weight;480kg
Weight on trailer; est: 1050KG
Max power 115HP
best power; 85HP
Keep the cabin as it is easy to fit an overhead canopy and rocket launchers plus it makes it even more seaworthy and it was designed, weightwise with it.
tigerfish
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Thanks, I had been strugling
Thanks, I had been strugling to find much info about the hull on the internet and this will be very useful
opsrey
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A few thoughts ...
I have been running a Savage 525 Orey for 12 years. It is a little different to the Lancer in that it has a bigger cuddy cabin. I am very certain the hull is the same. I have fished all sorts of weather and distances off shore. Have even landed 10 Marlin in it over the years.
I run a Honda 90 on it, which I think is a little heavy for the set up, even with the bigger cuddy cabin balancing the weight out. My main disappointment with the hull has been its nose up attitude across the trim range. You will find the hull is rough in chop and sensitive to weight distribution underway and at rest. That doesn't stop me fishing the fads and even doing a trawl at the Rotto trench.
Consider getting the batteries up front, although in the Lancer the captain and passanger are well forward so weight balance for nose up attitude may not be such an issue. You will have a bumpier ride being that little bit further forward.
may be worth while instaling two very large capacity bilge pumps in the event of getting water over the edge.
I like being able to handle the boat alone at the ramp and in my yard.
I can get through to the bow via door openings, which the Lancer doesn't have. So you may wish to use the anchor from the deck out of a plastic tub.
Dont go less than 90HP for the engine.
I cannot figue out from the pics if you have under floor fuel tank or not. Bermuda still sell the type in my Osprey.
Hope this has been some help to you. Look forward to some finished posts and fish photos from you in the future.
tigerfish
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Thanks Osprey, yes I also
Thanks Osprey, yes I also believe that the 525 Osprey is the same hull so this is all pretty useful info you are giving me. I was ideally looking to repower with a 90hp but I can't justify (or afford!) a new one and good quality used ones for sale are like rocking horse poo.....very rare. I've found a 115 Merc 2 stroke (think around early 2000s...carby model) going quite cheap that I am considering but a bit worried that it might be a bit too powerful and/or too heavy especially considering your comments about nose up attitude. What do you think?
As to the other questions, the console has a cut in between passenger and captain's sides and the middle w/screen pane flips over giving easy access to a fibreglass anchor well on the bow so that's not a problem. As for the tank, the owner gave me a 60l stainless tank that he had been using - it looks like he had it just strapped down to the deck above the bilge area. From what you say, a underfloor tank might be better from a weight distribution point of view. Can you tell me where I can check out these Bermuda tanks, and what they would likely cost?
Thanks for your help
till
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http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-a
http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/waikiki/boat-accessories-parts/under-floor-boat-fuel-tank/1011687516
tigerfish
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Thanks all for your interest
Thanks all for your interest - already some great info and advice and good to know there is some expertise on hand when I have some queries (and I'm sure there will be lots).
Just to manage everyones expectations.....I've seen some pretty amazing (and expensive looking) refit threads on this site, mine is going to be a bit more of a budget challenge. The coffers are very much limited for this project, so will be looking to do things as cheaply as possible whilst still doing justice to the old girl and hopefully ending up with something very useable.
I'll keep posting progress pics to this thread, but will prob create new threads for issues that I might need help on, so please keep an eye out.
Thanks again.
opsrey
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Motor size ....
Everything in life is a compromise, boat motors are as well. Lets say you put a 70HP on the back, we'll you will find top speed is a little low, you won't get onto the plane quickly (hole shot) and you will have trouble planing with 3 men on board. Additionally you will do a fair amount of wide open throttle boating and may find a propeller change is required (more dollars) . This is all a compromise and may well suite your needs if you plan to fish the sounds, five fathom bank or three mile reef etc. but if you crave for the West end of Rotto then you should reconsider power plant.
the Honda 90 weighs 170kg, and you will find lots of 115HP two stroke engines around with that weight. I tried the lifting stabilisers bolted to the leg to increase trim down power and reduce planing speed but took it off after a few unhappy moments in following seas driving at a 45deg angle to the swell.
if I had my time again I would choose the 115HP in a two stroke version and put trim tabs on the back. In all fairness to the Osprey it is not built to work where I often go. It is a Costal Runner styled hull for sae conditions on the East Coast. Not many owners would have run it 60km offshore.
all of the chandlery stores will stock Bermuda products, or buy the tank one off gum tree. Getting under floor fuel tank should be a priority for many good reasons. I appreciate its all more cost, but it will make a huge difference to the deck space and handling. The tank size is all about how for off shore you want to go. Fishing out of Tandibidy at Exmouth will see you use 20 litres or so. Perth fads need 100 litres, and the Murion Islands a bit more than 100 litres.
much of what you are doing will depend upon how far off shore you want to go. When I bought the Osprey I had been running a 13' Savage with a 10HP blue band Merc in the Snowy Mountains and figured catching a few snapper would be my thing. When I got to the West end of Rotto I just kinda kept goin.
my good fishing mate had a Merc 135 on a 6.5 m plate alie, coupled with a stainless prop. He took me for a run in Warnbro sound one day and got over 90 km/hr ! I didn't like that, and he always hated how he was on and off the throttle to work the boat in sloppy seas. What he needed to do was put a smaller pitched or/and diameter prop on to make the boat terrific to drive in slop and slower for my brain to keep up with
Baden01
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Nice pick up tigerfish
I have just completed a full rebuild on my Viking and although I spent a bit of coin on this one I have rebuilt about 4 boats before this one on a budget and they all turned out great yours is a good size can't wait for the pics.
Brocky