Mono backing for braid
Submitted by dagree on Fri, 2009-01-16 21:40
After being a mono user for a long time I have just had my new shimano torium20 loaded with braid. Now that we have the bigger boat and can get out deeper/wider I was thinking about spooling the deckies (wife and daughter)reels with braid myself. The question I have is "What size mono backing do you use dependant on the size of the braid?" Do you use the same size breaking strain or go heavier/lighter?
Cheers,
David
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And another!!!!
What is the best way of attaching the rig to a leader? I've heard different options.... Heavy duty snap swivel tied to the leader / use loops tied in the leader etc? Just after general info... not secrets.
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David
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hlokk
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Same breaking strength for
Same breaking strength for me, with a decent knot to the braid and to the spool. Some say it doesnt matter, but if you're going to get spooled you may as well get the best chance you can of recovering your braid. A tackle shop should sort it all out for you when you get it spooled though.
I just use a good quality snap swivel to a swivel to the rig (loops can wear through if you're careless). For demersals at least.
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from my understanding the
from my understanding the backing line doesnt need to be too heavy as its mainly there to stop the braid spinning on the spool , but use a lot more braid than you intend to use (depth) just in case of breakages, we generally use at least 300 mtrs and the deepest we fish atm is 200 and thats cutting it fine
to join your rig o the shock leader i use a good quality snap and on the rig on top is a swivel so its swivel to swivel , less chance of breaking
others probably do it differently thats just the way i do it now after some experimenting
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Thanks hlokk
Got the shimano done at the local tackle shop.... Just toying with the idea of doing the others myself as a learning curve. Was hoping to go the good quality/heavy duty snap swivel as I have already made the rigs with swivels on them.
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David
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Thanks Russ (or Sandy lol)
I was thinking of putting as much braid on as possible or can fit. That's 2 out of 2 for the swivels so I will definitely go that way as it will be easier to change rigs quickly when required.
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David
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And another!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I know I'm being a pain but want to get it right...
When I have used mono I have tied/swivelled the rig direct to whatever line I was using and used a heavier line for the rig. The question I have now is.... "Do I use the same strength line as the leader for the rig or can I go lighter/heavier? ie: 50lb braid/100lb leader/ 50lb rig?"
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David
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Usually people use a mono
Usually people use a mono shock leader. Usually 1-3m or so, but it varies depending.
The thickness depends what you are using it for. Theoretically you want the same as the main line for maximum stretchiness. I.e. 150lb will stretch less than 50lb for the same 20lb load (say your max drag). But then different mono will stretch different amounts. If you only use it to connect to paternosters then it doesnt matter as much as say if you're connect it directly to jigs or lures. Length again depends what you use it for. Length and strength can be useful for abrading against the boat when fishing (depends on the type of fish, dhuies are often too spent at that stage :p). You might want 5m+ if you were trolling though (though some dont like braid at all for trolling). The windons are nice as use can keep the knot nice and smooth (multiple catspaw).
Other people should be able to give you more info into the specifics and what would suit you best :p. Heading down to Oceanside or the Tackleshack would be a good idea.
Few people use lighter leaders, but can be useful as you can choose where it will break and you can keep your braid. But then you can do that with the same rating mono as your braid and an appropriate terminal knot.
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mono to braid
no secet, the mono is used primarily for two reasions, one; to grip or the braid will free spin on the spoll and two; to cushion the "cut" of the braid and thus not damage the metal integrety of the spool and thus reduce friction which will cut your braid.
some spools don't need braid especially if the spool is ribbed but mostly only threadlines have this capacity....
best to use wind on leader (IMO)....as mono will strech I tend to use 2-3 metres attached to braid. easy to tie a bimini or albright knot.
spool of braid means far more capacity than mon so if you are spoolin then in trouble.........
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Thanks Guys
Didn't get around to picking up any line or bits today so gonna support one of our locals and call in and catch up with Matt or one of the boys at Tackleshack. Will see how it's done, get some more advise and get some "training" for the right knots etc. Cheers, David
PS.... I get what you mean about more capacity and winding it on damo..... Much easier to watch it go on by machine
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no worries david,pop in
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Thanks Matt
Not sure what afternoon I will be in dependant where I finish for the day. If not I will call in Saturday or might even try and make it in for an Aussie Day snagga and meet a few others from here.
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David
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info!
David,
Plenty of good info already, same breaking strain in mono for braid as your knot will weaken the total breaking strain strength so yeh 50lb braid = 50 mono. Prefered knot is tying a bimini double in the braid and then using a GT knot or double uni to attach!
I dont like using snaps and tie my braid bimini straight to my ballbearing swivel which is attached to my leader. If i was to use a snap then the Richter hi tensile snap or a quality crosslock would be my pick!
Leader trace always heavier in breaking strain to your braid as its at the business end/wear-n-tear etc I dont use any wind-on style of leader for bottom fishing, some do but never had the need unless i'm game fishing/trolling etc
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Cheers Ryan
Thanks Ryan. Never been keen on the snap swivels anyways and have always used straight ones (except for clipping on burley cages etc). Have some old 100lb jinkai in the tackle box so going to gut some braid off the reel and have a play with some knots. Might have a job down your way on Tues so might get the chance to call in for a chat.... Unless the weather is good and you happen to be somewhere on the water
Cheers,
David
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David (AKA Grumps)
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