GPS Combo or stand alone.
Submitted by evo1264 on Tue, 2011-03-22 09:03
Help me out fella's, I'm in ther market for a new GPS, have a combo at the moment (Lowrance LCM). it's a toy. Had trouble with it ever since I had it fitted. I really like the look of the HDS but for the money, is it just a flash toy also. I'm prepared for a finacial catastrophe. Have been looking at all different sorts Furuno, Raymarine, Lowrance, even one called a Neonav (powerfull little sucker it is too). Help me out fella's I'm a research nut and it's doing my head in.
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Lucky Tim
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you can buy my HDS10 if you
you can buy my HDS10 if you like
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/sale-lowrance-hds-10-plottersounder
evo1264
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HDS 10
G'day Tim, I'm thinking of doing the same with the Furuno 585. Separate GPS. I have a tiny dash too. Sounds like the way to go. Thanks anyway.
Lucky Tim
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no probs but if you can it
no probs but if you can it might pay to size up a 585 on your dash before buying as it is quite a tall unit on its stand and may sit above your windscreen on the Bar Crusher. If you need any dimensions let me know and I'll run the tape measure over it.
AllBoatsChandlery
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GPS combo
If you want a good setup and dont mind spending a bit of cash i would highly recomend a FURUNO FCV585 with 1KW transom tdcr and LOWRANCE HDS8M GPS Chartplotter with Navionics charts. Thats if you have room on your dash for 2 units. Also you can link the 2 together so you can mark a spot on the sounder and it will send and store it on the GPS. PM me for a great price.
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hlokk
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Does that mean you can scroll
Does that mean you can scroll back and mark a point on the furuno and have it come up as the right spot on the lowrance? Thought for a minute that it might just send a signal via NMEA, but that doesnt seem much point if you could just press mark on the plotter at the right time :p.
Sounds like it would an absolutely awesome combo if it could do that (cause it sounds pretty good already).
AllBoatsChandlery
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Does that mean.....
Yeh when you bring up the cursor on the furuno you can move it around on the screen (but not backtrack like the hds) and hit mark, it will save it to the FCV and send it to the HDS via nmea0183. Fcv only read via 0183
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till
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Really? I've never actually
Really? I've never actually seen it working where you can mark a pinnacle on an FCV585 and send it to a GPS/Plotter by Lowrance. I might drop past for a demo sometime.
It is pretty easy to send GPS data from the lowrance gps to the furuno fcv585 though, so if you press the mark button on the sounder, it stores the mark internally, with GPS data.
AllBoatsChandlery
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Yep
What you do is you hit the mark button 1st then move the cursor to the spot on the screen as its paused then hit enter, and it saves it in the furuno memory and then it sends the gps data to the lowrance also.
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Lamby
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Ok how do I go about setting
Ok how do I go about setting this up? I am running a hds7 combo (but don't use the sounder, its just a back up) and the Furuno 585. I live down south so bringing it into you guys is not a possibility but your assistance appreciated.
AllBoatsChandlery
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All you do is
Join the Yellow wire off the furuno to the yellow wire on the HDS and the green from the furuno to the blue on the HDS, these coloured wires are the wires that are on the power harnesses that are currently not used. Then go the menu in the Furuno system nmea and turn on in/in and out to off. The lowrance should auto configure itself. hope this helps.
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Lamby
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That's great, really
That's great, really appreciate your help!
MattMiller
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Can't wait
those white blobs won't stand a chance now!
carnarvonite
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Combo
IMO combos are a no go, if one packs it in you can still go or keep on fishing either by GPS points already stored or by sounder and using a marker buoy but with a combo you lose everything
hlokk
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How often do they pack up
How often do they pack up though? Bit like having a spare outboard, doesnt seem common lately, but then I dont think gear failure is really that common. The only time I lost my sounder was when the battery leads disconnected, and that would affect both anyways. With a combo, some have the option to backtrack sounder points which can be really useful.
dodgy
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I lost a transducer the other
I lost a transducer the other day and was happy I run 2 combos. One has a better sounder and one a better plotter.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
hlokk
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Guessing you had both
Guessing you had both transducers installed? Have actually had my transducer snap off twice... Still have the charts on the unit (and on my phone though). Still enough redundancy and safety for my needs (but then I rarely go anywhere I couldnt get out of with no electronics at all - been meaning to get a compass though).
dodgy
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Yep. Both transducers and
Yep. Both transducers and both gps recievers.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
carnarvonite
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No Compass!!!
No compass!!! Its always been the first thing fitted to all the boats I've owned after safety gear. If it was a needed item then why do pros have to get their compass checked/swung every 2 years when going through survey.
Mine usually go for around $130-$160 , never really trusted the real cheap ones.
hlokk
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Well, its just a tinny and I
Well, its just a tinny and I havent been out of sight of land yet anyways, plus i'm pretty good with general bearings (lots of landmarks too, land, sun, stars, skyglow from city). On bigger boats, i'd dare say one of the benefits to a compass would be to figure out which direction the boat is facing too (GPS doesnt work well except point to point and extrapolate), rather than simply navigation.
Never really heard of many rec boaters that would consider a compass mandatory (especially any who only have ever used GPS, instead of paper and compass).
STEVE231
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Maybe I'm old school, but
Maybe I'm old school, but when I lost my GPS 40km out, I was glad to have a compass, would NEVER be without one.
hlokk
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Out of sight of land can be a
Out of sight of land can be a different story though ;) I would hope that most people can find east by the sun though :p (Wont always be around depdeding when you go though)
STEVE231
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Totally agree with that. If
Totally agree with that. If I was not all that far from shore I would not be so concerned. It's amazing how reliant you become on your electronics and how sobering it is when they go down.
scottnofish
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dazza has been through
3 lowrance gps in 4/5 years , so pretty often i would say
grayzeee
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HEY allboatsis there a way to
HEY allboats
is there a way to link my 585 to a 5200c globalmap??
thats the one crap fact about furuno to older lowrance if not , and the great thing about combo units or units that can talk.
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
AllBoatsChandlery
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Yep
Join the Yellow wire off the furuno to the yellow wire on the GMAP and the green from the furuno to the sheild (the sheild thats part of the yellow and blue,orange and green bunch) on the GMAP, these coloured wires are the wires that are on the power harnesses that are currently not used. Then go the menu in the Furuno system nmea and turn on in/in and out to off also ver 2.0. The lowrance you will need to go into comms port in system menu and turn on NMEA0183 output. hope this helps.
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Paul G
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I have no probs with my
I have no probs with my combo.but most seem to go for single units.mybe im just a tight prick.
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hlokk
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But Paul, you could find good
But Paul, you could find good fish with a compass and a plumb-bob. The rest of us mere mortals have to get all the technology we can get (or afford) to help us out, hehe.
Tony Halliday
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biggest advantage of seperate
biggest advantage of seperate units is the usage of the full screen in each case. Also nothing worse than trying to switch from one to other and change modes etc on a combo.
Just my view, but if you don't have the dash room for a dual set up, then go the biggest combo you can afford.
If I had a trailer boat again, it would be Furuno sounder ( 620 or 585 depends on money and what you need it for) and GPS would be a Garmin or Lowrance. If I had to go combo, then a Lowrance HD8 or the new Simrad Sports series being launched tomorrow ( heads up boys, new toy in town, got anice touch screen and not bad at all)
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glastronomic
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With us mere poor mortals
With us mere poor mortals having smallish trailer boats with small dash space, only the smaller GPS units just fit and running a separate fishfinder is a must so the small screen can be fully utiliesed for its purpose.
I had to fit the new HDS5 right on the edge of the dash to get it on and the stand alone fishfinder on the pasenger dash angled at the driving position.
Would have liked a HDS7-8 or10, but no chance at all of installing it in my current tub.
evo1264
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Thanks everyone for your
Thanks everyone for your input. I still don't know which way to go.
Tony Halliday
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some times it pays to think
some times it pays to think outside the box!
Put one unit in the dash and hang the other from the roof / hard top or even use a grab rail above head hight to mount electronics. A lot of yank flats boats do this.
I had to mount my big FCV295 from a roof mount due to dash sapce, it works great, swivels and can be seen from where ever I want it. This allows me to put the dedicated plotter where I like
Also mounts like this: http://www.ram-mount.com/ or http://www.ram-mount.com/Products/MarineElectronicMounts/tabid/141/Default.aspx
are great for space issues.Ram Mounts and others like Bracketron GPS Pro-Mount are good value in tight dashes.
google for images of installtion of both types and get some ideas.
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hlokk
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Got any pics of the setup
Got any pics of the setup Tony? Sounds like an interesting out of the box way to set it up. Would be cool if it was on a tiltable swing arm so when you're fishing you can swing it out near the end of the canopy and swivel it til its facing you. Considered it on my tinny, but bit too much effort. Was a cool idea in my head though (not all translate to practical in the real world though). Its actually possible to design a swing arm so that it swings to a diff angle as you move the arm, but again, perhaps a little overboard :p
Tony Halliday
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in my Berty thread is loads
in my Berty thread is loads of pics of my set up.
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)
Tony Halliday
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RAM arms for motor cycles
RAM arms for motor cycles have a clamping system that allows for them to hang from rocket launchers or Canopy support bars above the dash...
look at the RAM stuff, very good.
Tony Halliday: ~Meals on Reels ~
It takes a strong fish to swim against the current. Even a dead one can float with it
"It is always in season for old men to learn." Aeschylus (525-456 BC)
"In a mad world only the mad are sane." Akira Kurosawa (1910-1998)