Will a 90Hp be big enought to power a Polycraft Warrior 5.30 Cuddy Cab
Submitted by tapevans on Tue, 2010-10-05 20:24
HI im looking at buying a used polycraft Warrior 5.30 cuddy cab with a 90Hp tohatsu motor on it and im just wurried it wont be big enought for outside fishing.
Any one got any ideas or experiance with this size motor on a boat this size???
cheers. Pat
SamC
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Under
Would definately think that would be underpowered.
I recently test drove a 4.55 C/C Poly with a 60 Yam 4st on the back and was perfect. Also have a mate with the 480 Brumby which has a 80 Yam 4st which is again ideal.
They say you need to have the maximum hp on the back of the poly's as they are quite a heavy hull.
At a guess a 530 Cuddy Polycraft would need something around the 115hp
Cheers,
Sam
MattMiller
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If the
motor is a 2 stroke it may be OK, just be heavy on fuel.
spooled79
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Personally mate I would stay
Personally mate I would stay away from tohatsu cheap nasty shit.I hav a 5.2 cuddy cab with a 115 and its more than enough its nice to kno that you've got those extra horses. When your out widein case things turn nasty
tapevans
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Yer it is a 2 stroke but i
Yer it is a 2 stroke. i myself have a 5m f/g with a 115Hp atm and its great and i thought if i go bigger boat im going to need the rated Hp which is like u said 115.
shame is a bloody nice boat to. cheers
carnarvonite
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Two stroke
If its too expensive to go 4 stroke then go for an Etec, stay away from the cheaper engines because in the long run you will end up paying the difference in repairs and fuel costs.
Cammos
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I have been told many times
I have been told many times that the Poly boats need their max allowable power. There is a plastic boaters forum around if you google it up.
grayzeee
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as sam says poly needs max
as sam says
poly needs max power. it's quite a weighty hull
i had a plaka 4.6 with a 60 2 stroke. only managed 27 knots flat strap.
jumped out of the hole though (great boat)
and if underpowered , you will use more fuel as mentioned , through revving the nuts off it to get anywhere
If I spent half as long fishing , as I do reading this bloody forum , I'd be twice the fisherman I am.
strike_zone
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not that bad
i have had a couple of tohatsu motors over the years and have had no probs with reliability they are not the smoothest motors around but fuck they go hard 90 2st is equal to 115 4st for performance anyway plus the 90 is not that heavy on fuel i say if its a nice boat go for it you can always change motors down the track
tapevans
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any idea on the speed it may
any idea on the speed it may pull, it is a nice boat just dont wanna get caught out
Cammos
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At a guess, high 20's.
At a guess, high 20's.
Indiana
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Swap the motors
tapevans .......are you able to swap motors between your current boat and the new
one ?
Are the leg lengths the same ?
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Brucesta
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I have a 530 Warrior Centre
I have a 530 Warrior Centre Console with the 115hp Etec HO on it and it's perfect, a 90 with a cuddy is going to be working hard.
24knts would be optimistic with a light load. I can sell you my boat if you like as i'm upgrading very soon :)
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JohnF
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I have a Trailcraft ali 540
I have a Trailcraft ali 540 with 90 E-Tec.
The traily is very light, so the 90 hp is OK, pushes it along at 30 knots flat knacker, 24 knots cruise, which is quite adequate.
A 115 would be nice for those really flat days but reality is only 1 in 10 days could you use more than 90 hp.
The Polycraft sounds heavier, so would recommend 115. Two stroke vs 4 stroke makes a HUGE difference, not to top speed (90 hp is 90 hp after all) but in the mid range, which is what you use most of the time. The 4 strokes if undersized will feel really sluggish and will struggle to get up on plane, 2 strokes (or better still direct inject 2 strokes like Etec or Optimax) give you heaps more mid range for the same hp rating, making them feel much stronger and usebable.....top speed will be the same for both if propped correctly.
If 4 stroke, definatley 115.
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tapevans
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yer it is a TLDI Tohatsu
yer it is a TLDI Tohatsu 90 2 stroke on the boat still not enought u think i may wanna tow a ski some times also.
tapevans
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yer it is a TLDI Tohatsu
yer it is a TLDI Tohatsu 90 2 stroke on the boat still not enought u think? i may wanna tow a ski some times also.
Brucesta
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as with all polycrafts, go
as with all polycrafts, go for max power and you won't regret it, hell even some of them go for more than recommended, the 5.3m could easily take a 150hp
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tapevans
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I can put the 115 2
I can put the 115 2 stroke on the new boat if i buy it, its only done about 110 hours and its a 2000 oil injected merk but i didnt realy think it would be worth while cause i intend to sell the other boat for about 10,000 and this one im lookin at is 23,000 just not sure i want an old motor on a newer boat.
i understand wat u guys r saying i also think i would be better off with a 115 not a 90 but the people that sell then think they do about 35 knots which seemed ok as the boat will need to be trucked to home its something i wont know till its on my door.
JohnF
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35 knots in a 530 size boat
35 knots in a 530 size boat is more than enough unless dead flat........that seems possible with a 115, but not a 90 in my experience.
My traily 540 hull wieght is 540 kg and does 30 flat out on a good day with a 90 Etec.
Your 530 poly hull weight is 680 kg.......a lot less than 30 knots with a 90.
2000 oil injected 2 stroke......hmmm, would not be my first choice. Heavy on the juice and the nostrils. A 115 4 stroke would be sweet and you would probably be OK with a 90 direct injection as long as 22 knot cruise speed is OK....115 2 stroke will go like stink.....and smell like stink.....
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davey
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ninety
im not sure of the weight of the polycraft but my glass savage is a pretty heavy boat,its seventeen foot with a merc ninety and easily tops thirty five kts.
JohnF
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Jeeze......obvious that hull
Jeeze......obvious that hull design plays a reasonable part as well then.....the Traily is light but quite beamy, I think the old savages were a bit narrower so probably punch through the water with less resistance?
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wadetolley
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John
John my 5.3 traily does around 32 knots..flat water..with a 75hp 4 stroke Merc on the back... Up here, there is Etecs shitting them selves everywhere!
till
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Wade, they really don't seem
Wade, they really don't seem to like dirty water much and I guess you have plenty of that up there? Doesn't seem to worry brad's though.
wadetolley
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yep
Yep dirty water and opal fuel! My mate here brought a 300hp, and its a lemon...30k lemon. I hear Ets chater boats call up on the radio all the time, telling base that they are limping back on one motor. Ets is pulling out of Groote in the next couple of weeks, there having an auction to sell off all the gear, this sat. Im excited......
till
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Sounds like a good auction,
Sounds like a good auction, not too much competition!
dodgy
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Had a few problems with
Had a few problems with those big Haines too Ive heard. Bit of a shame because Im a huge Haines fan.
Is Dugong staying?
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
till
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Didn't he sink the big one?
Didn't he sink the big one?
dodgy
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Yeah, Sank on the mooring.
Yeah, Sank on the mooring.
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
wadetolley
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and
And transom cracked on a couple of the others! Dugong Resort is staying..thats owned by the locals.
davey
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hull shape
i think hull shape would play as big a part as weight, look at the banana boats,they fly with very little power needed.yes the savage is quite narrow
tapevans
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Unfortunately i cannot
Unfortunately i cannot afford a 4 stroke as much as i would like to there just arnt any polys around for sale so still undecided about buying it, anyone think 22 grand is a good prive for a 2007 warrior 5.3 cuddy with the 90
dodgy
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How about this one? Might be
How about this one? Might be still for sale?
http://fishwrecked.com/forum/53cc-polycraft-sale-price-reduced
Does anyone know where the love of god goes, when the waves turn the minutes to hours?
tapevans
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looks like a nice boat
looks like a nice boat but im after a cuddy cab thankx anyways tho
JohnF
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Wade Yep, I have had an
Wade
Yep, I have had an injector go on my Etec after 100 hours, fixed under warranty. Otherwise, it is a terrific little motor and has not missed a beat. But yes, have heard of problems, but then again, I think outboards in general have a few issues as it is a pretyy hard duty (high loads, salt water etc).
The direct injection 2 strokes have some advantages aver 4 stroke (light, good mid range, less servicing) but agree they may be just a bit too high strung and for a boat motor, reliability is critical. 4 strokes have definatley improved over the years and some of the latest ones are very sweet.
Not sure which way I will go for my next boat?????
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alfred
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The polys need max rated
The polys need max rated power. Weight is one reason, the other is that the hull is soft, which is the way it's designed so that the ride is comfortable.
tapevans
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THANKYOU EVERYONE FOR
THANKYOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR HELP!