Boat leans to one side on recovery
Submitted by solly on Tue, 2009-09-29 00:53
Hi guys
Im chasing if anybody has this problem,when recovering my boat( 7 metre fibreglass )leans to the right ,I have spent alot of time at the boat ramp and tried everything from the guide rollers just out of water to make contact early to drowning the trailer.The boat is on a sealink multi roller trailer and the whole setup is only 3 weeks old.When sitting on trailer all the rollers are touching and it sits great so I havent started adjusting yet.
any ideas would be welcome.
solly
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I have had problems when the
I have had problems when the trailer is not level ,if one side drops in a hole then the boat will not go on stright ,i have to drive in or out to get it level .other than that not sure
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fishfish
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Hi Solly mine does the same
Hi Solly mine does the same thing, I have a Dunbier multiroller trailer and from what I can work out it doesnt have any rollers down the middle to guide the boat straight allowing it to roll and sit up on one side . I usually have to back into the water further to get the boat to float onced its winched up and get a mate to hold the boat centred while I drive off....
I thought I had it all sorted at home one day, used a bottle jack to centre and get it level then adjusted all the roller heights { a few of mine were out} then next time out same thing !@@#$$ so now ive given up !!!!
I did buy some rollers to go down the middle and on the outside vertical near the guards but havent mounted them yet ,Ive sort of got used to it !!!!
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alfred
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You will find that the lean
You will find that the lean depends on which way the wind is blowing when loading.
till
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And weight on the boat. On a
And weight on the boat. On a couple of boats I've helped retrieve, the deckies have to sit left or right to help accomodate the boat's loading and the wind.
Luke R
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i have the same problem
i have the same problem aswell, iv got a dunbier trailer also, lately my boat has been off on one side, iv just noticed that 2 of the supports for the rollers have dropped so i need to adjust them and hopefully it will be all sweat
jersey
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Till & Alfred
Are both right,wind is certainly a factor,but check this,are the batteries on one side,or for that matter,any gear that is heavy that will ,make one side sit deeper,than the other,its is surprising how much the mercanter line(center of balance) can be affected,point is, Two batteries,Ice box,(with fish) I hope? Fishing boxes,can alter the way the boat will come up,also any water that may be in the bilge,once a boat starts up the trailer,the water can flow to the dipped side,and will stay there until the boat and trailer on on the level,apart from all that,why should any of us boaties go out and have a great day without drama,you could try retriever mates,but look at the cheapest cause first,the weight factor and wind,good luck jersey
just dhu it
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roller adjustment
I had the same problem with my last Seafarer glass boat , with a lot of spare time spent at the ramp one day i found two things , 1st was putting the trailer in too deep and the side rollers werent working and the second on a multi set roller was the middle rollers one or one set in front of the rear roller was not adjusted up enough to level up the boat because by the time it gets up to the 3rd or 4 th set of roller the hull is leaning over and theres to much weight to over correct the hull position.
Also if you dont have the keel rollers you wil need to check the the side rollers are all the same measurement in from the side of the trailer etc and the big one is , does the trailer flex or twist/ squirm when towing indicating the boat is to heavy for the trailer
hlokk
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Not sure if it applies
Not sure if it applies everytime, but at least occasionally it can be due to the trailer not being straight with the level (and the level isnt always straight with the jetty). If the trailer is at a large enough angle or the ramp is quite steep then as well as the trailer not being quite straight, one side will dip a little, so when the boat comes in it will turn slightly to one side, and then get pushed over to the side. Some boats/trailers seem to be pretty sensitive while on others it doesnt seem to matter much at all. Not sure if its something that happens often, but perhaps worth eliminating as an option when troubleshooting.
mako magic
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as just dhu it
as just dhu it said...............alot of the issue sometimes is people putting the trailer into the water too far, yeah sometimes this is good as its less winching up the trailer but if there is a lean in the ramp, ie trailer not level to the water then the boat will come up level to the water and not the trailer, personally get the boat trailor in the water enough and let the rollers do the job of guiding the boat up and level
Rod P
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Often the trailer is a
Often the trailer is a little too deep also. More than likely that the rollers really arn't set up that well. All the so called quality dealers really make very effort in getting than right to use..
fishfish
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Interesting comment on the
Interesting comment on the trailer not being level when entering the water, makes sence,I'll have to pay attention to the water heights on the rollers/guards etc next time when backing in....
The weight on my boat is fairly centred kill tanks/fuel tanks/ice boxes/batteries etc so I dont think that is an issue for me and the leaning doesnt seem to favour one side , but I am a bit guilty of sitting the trailer in to far some times so I'll have to try that one....
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No one mentioned tyre pressure yet!!
it can have a big influence
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but boats dont have tyres,
but boats dont have tyres
, our boat does lean a bit when bringing it in , i thought it was just natural for a boat to lean a bit untill it was further up on the trailor when the rollers take effect. another thing that may affect it is currant or a slight swell at the ramp
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nevermind
what about inflatables though!!!
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solly
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Thanks Guys
can answer a few, wind is not a factor as the will lean into the wind as well as away from it (it always leans to the right)the batteries are on that side but fuel tank (300 litres), kill tank( 200litres)are in the middle.the trailer does not have centre rollers but has 56 rollers all up .It has two sets of reaction rollers at the start to align the keel but starts to lean over about half way up.Tyre pressure is 42 psi and the ramps are level ,water in the bilge isnt a issue as I have drained on the ramp and put it back in the water only to have the same result.I have heard of retreiver mates but has anybody used these and how do they work?The boat is a tournament 2250 bluewater and sits level in the water.
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You have a multi roller trailer
with no keel rollers so a retriever mate wont be an option as the back cradle is the same thing on a bigger scale.From what you say about your trailer i would put the boat in the water pull the trailer up into the car park and have a check that the rollers are at the same height on each side.It sounds like a set of rollers or two on that side half way up are higher than the other which would put a lot of stress on a small area of the hull when towing a load of 300 lts of fuel and all the other gear on top of that.
So tell me have you got your info from years on the water or hours on the internet?
till
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Retriever-mate is a pair of
Retriever-mate is a pair of spring-loaded rollers that forma v that force the boat to be centrally-aligned when you put it onto the trailer.
Rick
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Palm Beach ramp
Used to have the same problem at Palm beach ramp
Couldn't work it out until I noticed one side of the trailer was a little lower in the water than the other. If you look at your rollers when you back in to retreive,you will soon see if there is a lean on the trailer.Being a bigger trailer your further down the ramp than most.....
I guess with the boat not being very old you have probably only launched at 1 ramp. Would be interesting to see if it happens at other ramps...
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mako magic
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yeah rick that palm beach is
yeah rick that palm beach is a bitch for that, thats how i learnt about the issue with the old boat, once realised its easier to overcome that issue
just dhu it
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ramps
its hard to set your trailer up to suit all ramps and the issue with how deep to go some ramps are steeper the others which prevents the rollers doing their job effectivley , the bundegi ramp angle is a nightmare for this
Blank Cheque
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I would not be spending any $$$
Tha answer has been mentioned above. Pull the trailer out of the water a little and allow the rollers to do the job their designed to do, guide the boat onto the trailer & not carry it where it lands once pulled out of the water. Had a simlar problem years ago and seen lots of people going through the same thing.
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Pete D
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Had a Retriever-mate on my
Had a Retriever-mate on my last rig (19 ft glass) and it did help alot with centering the boat onto the trailer, but as has been said, don't dip the trailer so deep in the drink.
You could get rid of the rollers and install full length bunks - you'll for ever be happy then! A centered boat 100% of the time, no matter what the conditions are.
Cheers Pete
solly
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Thanks again fellas
I have tried about 15 different positions with the trailer depth on the ramp (that can piss alot of people off behind you).I have tried 2 ramps for the same result.I will take a couple of photos next time (probaly over weekend)There are some good points I will try out as well. Interested in these full length bunks Pete but as I have already overspent the budget on this setup it may have to wait awhile.The Dealer has gone away from these trailers and now is using dumbier but only because of its easier to freight the boats without.They still supply these trailers with boats in queensland.Its a very heavy duty trailor 6 inch rhs with the rollers on a interpendant frame.There is no flex .
solly
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solly
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problem solved
after a few more dips and trials and using all the sugestions its a weight problem.I have now a onboard balance machine (17 year old son)and its a pleasure to trailer.
solly
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Blank Cheque
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I think you still have one problem Solly
At seventeen he should be on the winch and you need to be in the boat doing the high tech work.LOL
Good to hear mate.
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till
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Good to hear you got it
Good to hear you got it sorted and it was as easy as shifting that weight around!